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	'''Comparing the Translations'''		'''Comparing the Translations'''

-	Verse 4 in the RSV addresses the men at Thessalonica and says,that each one of you know how to take a wife for himself in holiness and honor, not in the passion of lust like heathen who do not know God.	+	Verse 4 in the RSV addresses the men at Thessalonica and says,
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-	But the NIV says,that each of you should learn to control his own body in a way that is holy and honorable, not in passionate lust like the heathen, who do not know God.	+	that each one of you know how to take a wife for himself in holiness and honor, not in the passion of lust like heathen who do not know God.
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-	The NASB says,that each of you know how to possess his own vessel in sanctification and honor, not in lustful passion, like the Gentiles who do not know God. I think the RSV captures the meaning most clearly.	+	But the NIV says,
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		+	that each of you should learn to control his own body in a way that is holy and honorable, not in passionate lust like the heathen, who do not know God.
		+	</blockquote>
		+	The NASB says,
		+	<blockquote>
		+	that each of you know how to possess his own vessel in sanctification and honor, not in lustful passion, like the Gentiles who do not know God. I think the RSV captures the meaning most clearly.
		+	</blockquote>
	[Reasons: 1) the parallel in 1 Corinthians 7:2; 2) the meaning of ''ktasthai ''is overwhelmingly "take" or "acquire" not "control" or "possess"; 3) "vessel" in connection to "honor" in 1 Peter 3:7 refers to wife; 4) ''heautou''—"his own"—seems to be emphatic and would fit fiancé or wife better than body; 5) the NIV and NASB don't make sense, because they say in effect, "learn to control your body . . . not in passionate lust." You can take a woman in passionate lust, but you cannot control your body in passionate lust.]		[Reasons: 1) the parallel in 1 Corinthians 7:2; 2) the meaning of ''ktasthai ''is overwhelmingly "take" or "acquire" not "control" or "possess"; 3) "vessel" in connection to "honor" in 1 Peter 3:7 refers to wife; 4) ''heautou''—"his own"—seems to be emphatic and would fit fiancé or wife better than body; 5) the NIV and NASB don't make sense, because they say in effect, "learn to control your body . . . not in passionate lust." You can take a woman in passionate lust, but you cannot control your body in passionate lust.]

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	In summary then, lust is a sexual desire that dishonors its object and disregards God. It's the corruption of a good thing by the absence of honorable commitment and by the absence of a supreme regard for God. If your sexual desire is not guided by respect for the honor of others and regard for the holiness of God, it is lust.<br>		In summary then, lust is a sexual desire that dishonors its object and disregards God. It's the corruption of a good thing by the absence of honorable commitment and by the absence of a supreme regard for God. If your sexual desire is not guided by respect for the honor of others and regard for the holiness of God, it is lust.<br>

-	'''Pondering the Danger of Lust'''	+	==== '''Pondering the Danger of Lust''' ====

	That's the definition. Now the next issue is SO WHAT? Why is this a big deal? Isn't sexual sin, especially when it's just a desire and not an act, sin with a little "s"? Shouldn't we get on with the big issues like nuclear arms and social justice? You've known people like that, I suppose. They say, Sexual attitudes and sexual behavior are a matter of relatively insignificant personal piety. What counts is whether you boycott companies in South Africa and oppose Star Wars defense systems. Sleeping around is simply no big deal if you are on the picket line at Honeywell; and flipping through ''Playboy'' is utterly insignificant if you are on your way to peace talks in Geneva.		That's the definition. Now the next issue is SO WHAT? Why is this a big deal? Isn't sexual sin, especially when it's just a desire and not an act, sin with a little "s"? Shouldn't we get on with the big issues like nuclear arms and social justice? You've known people like that, I suppose. They say, Sexual attitudes and sexual behavior are a matter of relatively insignificant personal piety. What counts is whether you boycott companies in South Africa and oppose Star Wars defense systems. Sleeping around is simply no big deal if you are on the picket line at Honeywell; and flipping through ''Playboy'' is utterly insignificant if you are on your way to peace talks in Geneva.
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	This means that the consequences of lust are going to be worse than the consequences of nuclear war. All that nuclear war can do is kill the body. And Jesus said, "Do not fear those who kill the body and after that have no more that they can do. But I will warn you whom to fear. Fear him who after he has killed has power to cast into hell" (Luke 12:4–5). In other words God's vengeance is much more fearful than earthly annihilation. And according to 1 Thessalonians 4:6 God's vengeance is coming upon those who disregard the warning against lust.		This means that the consequences of lust are going to be worse than the consequences of nuclear war. All that nuclear war can do is kill the body. And Jesus said, "Do not fear those who kill the body and after that have no more that they can do. But I will warn you whom to fear. Fear him who after he has killed has power to cast into hell" (Luke 12:4–5). In other words God's vengeance is much more fearful than earthly annihilation. And according to 1 Thessalonians 4:6 God's vengeance is coming upon those who disregard the warning against lust.

-	'''Lust and Eternal Security'''	+	==== '''Lust and Eternal Security''' ====

	This past September I spoke to the student body of Wheaton Christian High School. I took as my topic, "Ten Lessons for Fighting Lust." Lesson number 6 was, "Ponder the eternal danger of lust."		This past September I spoke to the student body of Wheaton Christian High School. I took as my topic, "Ten Lessons for Fighting Lust." Lesson number 6 was, "Ponder the eternal danger of lust."
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	The stakes are much higher than whether the world is blown up by a thousand bombs. If you don't fight lust, you won't go to heaven (1 Peter 2:11; Colossians 3:6; Galatians 5:21; 1 Corinthians 6:10; Hebrews 12:14).<br>		The stakes are much higher than whether the world is blown up by a thousand bombs. If you don't fight lust, you won't go to heaven (1 Peter 2:11; Colossians 3:6; Galatians 5:21; 1 Corinthians 6:10; Hebrews 12:14).<br>

-	'''Justifying Faith Is Lust-Fighting Faith'''	+	==== '''Justifying Faith Is Lust-Fighting Faith''' ====

	Are we not, then, saved by faith—by believing in Jesus Christ? We are indeed! Those who persevere in faith shall be saved (Matthew 24:13; 10:22; 1 Corinthians 15:3; Colossians 1:23; 2 Thessalonians 2:13). How do you lay hold on eternal life? Paul gives the answer in 1 Timothy 6:12—"Fight the good fight of faith: lay hold on eternal life."		Are we not, then, saved by faith—by believing in Jesus Christ? We are indeed! Those who persevere in faith shall be saved (Matthew 24:13; 10:22; 1 Corinthians 15:3; Colossians 1:23; 2 Thessalonians 2:13). How do you lay hold on eternal life? Paul gives the answer in 1 Timothy 6:12—"Fight the good fight of faith: lay hold on eternal life."
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	The battle against lust is the battle against unbelief. The crucial verses here are verses 5 and 8. We only have time to look at verse 5.<br>		The battle against lust is the battle against unbelief. The crucial verses here are verses 5 and 8. We only have time to look at verse 5.<br>

-	'''The Knowledge of God'''	+	==== '''The Knowledge of God''' ====

	In verse 5 Paul says, " . . . not in the passion of lust like heathen [i.e., the Gentiles] who do not know God." Do you see what that implies about the root of lust? Not knowing God is the root cause of lust. Take a wife (or: control your body) not in the passion of lust because that is what people do who don't know God.		In verse 5 Paul says, " . . . not in the passion of lust like heathen [i.e., the Gentiles] who do not know God." Do you see what that implies about the root of lust? Not knowing God is the root cause of lust. Take a wife (or: control your body) not in the passion of lust because that is what people do who don't know God.
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	It's a knowledge that is so real, so precious, so satisfying to your soul, that any thought, any attitude, any emotion, any addiction which threatens to hinder this knowledge will be attacked with all the spiritual zeal of a threatened life. This is the fight of faith that rages in the godly soul when lust lures the mind away from God.		It's a knowledge that is so real, so precious, so satisfying to your soul, that any thought, any attitude, any emotion, any addiction which threatens to hinder this knowledge will be attacked with all the spiritual zeal of a threatened life. This is the fight of faith that rages in the godly soul when lust lures the mind away from God.

-	'''The Pure Shall See God'''	+	==== '''The Pure Shall See God''' ====

	I close with an illustration from an article in ''Leadership'' (Fall 1982). It was unsigned, but written by a preacher who for ten years was in bondage to lust. He tells the story of what finally released him. It is such a resounding confirmation of what I am trying to say that I want to quote the key paragraph.		I close with an illustration from an article in ''Leadership'' (Fall 1982). It was unsigned, but written by a preacher who for ten years was in bondage to lust. He tells the story of what finally released him. It is such a resounding confirmation of what I am trying to say that I want to quote the key paragraph.
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	Do you know God this morning? Are you growing week by week in the knowledge of God's greatness? Do you meditate on his Word day and night? Do you ponder the pictures of his Son in the gospels? Do you read solid books about his character and his ways? Do you look at everything in your day as his creation? Do you pray for a sensitive heart that can be ravished by the revelation of his glory?		Do you know God this morning? Are you growing week by week in the knowledge of God's greatness? Do you meditate on his Word day and night? Do you ponder the pictures of his Son in the gospels? Do you read solid books about his character and his ways? Do you look at everything in your day as his creation? Do you pray for a sensitive heart that can be ravished by the revelation of his glory?

-	I call you to make those commitments now for the sake of your own soul and for the glory of God.	+	I call you to make those commitments now for the sake of your own soul and for the glory of God.

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JoyaTeemer at 16:27, 9 April 2009

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	'''The Great Error That Must Be Exploded'''		'''The Great Error That Must Be Exploded'''

-	The great error that I am trying to ~~explodein~~ these messages is the error that says, faith in God is one thing and the fight for holiness is another thing. Faith gets you to heaven and holiness gets you rewards. You get your justification by faith, and you get your sanctification by works. You start the Christian life in the power of the Spirit, you press on in the efforts of the flesh. This is the great evangelical error of our day. The battle for obedience is optional, they say, because only faith is necessary for salvation.	+	The great error that I am trying to exploding these messages is the error that says, faith in God is one thing and the fight for holiness is another thing. Faith gets you to heaven and holiness gets you rewards. You get your justification by faith, and you get your sanctification by works. You start the Christian life in the power of the Spirit, you press on in the efforts of the flesh. This is the great evangelical error of our day. The battle for obedience is optional, they say, because only faith is necessary for salvation.

	Our response: the battle for obedience is absolutely necessary for salvation because it IS the fight of faith. The battle against lust is absolutely necessary for salvation because it is the battle against unbelief. Faith alone delivers from hell and the faith that delivers from hell delivers from lust.		Our response: the battle for obedience is absolutely necessary for salvation because it IS the fight of faith. The battle against lust is absolutely necessary for salvation because it is the battle against unbelief. Faith alone delivers from hell and the faith that delivers from hell delivers from lust.

JoyaTeemer at 21:23, 22 September 2008

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	'''A Biblical Definition of Lust'''		'''A Biblical Definition of Lust'''
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	I call you to make those commitments now for the sake of your own soul and for the glory of God.		I call you to make those commitments now for the sake of your own soul and for the glory of God.
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Bhkauflin at 17:23, 9 July 2008

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-	{{MasterHeader\|author=John Piper\|partnerurl=http://www.desiringgod.org\|partner=Desiring God \|other=\|mediatype=article\|lang=English\|editor=n/a\|translator=n/a\|levels=0\|reviewed= Not Reviewed\|newtitle=Battling the Unbelief of Lust\|series=Battling Unbelief\|topic=Spiritual Growth\|subtopic=Sanctification & Growth\|month=November\|day=13\|year=1988}}'''1 Thessalonians 4:1-8'''	+	{{info}}
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	'''A Biblical Definition of Lust'''		'''A Biblical Definition of Lust'''

Bhkauflin at 16:04, 20 June 2008

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-	{{MasterHeader\|author=John Piper\|partnerurl=http://www.desiringgod.org\|partner=Desiring God \|other=\|mediatype=article\|lang=English\|editor=n/a\|translator=n/a\|levels=0\|reviewed= Not Reviewed\|newtitle=Battling the Unbelief of Lust\|series=~~Sermons 1988~~\|topic=Spiritual Growth\|subtopic=Sanctification & Growth\|month=November\|day=13\|year=1988}}'''1 Thessalonians 4:1-8'''	+	{{MasterHeader\|author=John Piper\|partnerurl=http://www.desiringgod.org\|partner=Desiring God \|other=\|mediatype=article\|lang=English\|editor=n/a\|translator=n/a\|levels=0\|reviewed= Not Reviewed\|newtitle=Battling the Unbelief of Lust\|series=Battling Unbelief\|topic=Spiritual Growth\|subtopic=Sanctification & Growth\|month=November\|day=13\|year=1988}}'''1 Thessalonians 4:1-8'''

	'''A Biblical Definition of Lust'''		'''A Biblical Definition of Lust'''

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-	{{MasterHeader\|author=John Piper\|partnerurl=http://www.desiringgod.org\|partner=Desiring God~~\|date= 13 November 1988~~\|other=~~\|series=\|categorytopic= Sanctification & Growth~~\|mediatype=article\|lang=English\|editor=n/a\|translator=n/a\|levels=0\|reviewed= Not Reviewed\|newtitle=Battling the Unbelief of Lust}}'''1 Thessalonians 4:1-8'''	+	{{MasterHeader\|author=John Piper\|partnerurl=http://www.desiringgod.org\|partner=Desiring God \|other=\|mediatype=article\|lang=English\|editor=n/a\|translator=n/a\|levels=0\|reviewed= Not Reviewed\|newtitle=Battling the Unbelief of Lust\|series=Sermons 1988\|topic=Spiritual Growth\|subtopic=Sanctification & Growth\|month=November\|day=13\|year=1988}}'''1 Thessalonians 4:1-8'''

	'''A Biblical Definition of Lust'''		'''A Biblical Definition of Lust'''
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	It's the kind of knowledge that you don't have when you say ho-hum during the Hallelujah Chorus or grumble on the rim of the Grand Canyon. Hearing they do not hear and seeing they do not see. It's not that kind of knowledge. It comes like it did for Lydia when the Lord opened the eyes of her heart. At one moment you think you will burst with its fullness, and suddenly there is a chasm of longing for more. It's the knowledge we call faith—the assurance of things hoped for the conviction of things not seen.		It's the kind of knowledge that you don't have when you say ho-hum during the Hallelujah Chorus or grumble on the rim of the Grand Canyon. Hearing they do not hear and seeing they do not see. It's not that kind of knowledge. It comes like it did for Lydia when the Lord opened the eyes of her heart. At one moment you think you will burst with its fullness, and suddenly there is a chasm of longing for more. It's the knowledge we call faith—the assurance of things hoped for the conviction of things not seen.

-	It's a knowledge that is so real, so precious, so satisfying to your soul, that any thought, any attitude, any emotion, any addiction which threatens to hinder this knowledge will be attacked with all the spiritual zeal of a threatened life. This is the fight of faith that rages in the godly soul when lust lures the mind away from God.	+	It's a knowledge that is so real, so precious, so satisfying to your soul, that any thought, any attitude, any emotion, any addiction which threatens to hinder this knowledge will be attacked with all the spiritual zeal of a threatened life. This is the fight of faith that rages in the godly soul when lust lures the mind away from God.

	'''The Pure Shall See God'''		'''The Pure Shall See God'''

Bhkauflin at 17:47, 30 May 2008

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	[Reasons: 1) the parallel in 1 Corinthians 7:2; 2) the meaning of ''ktasthai ''is overwhelmingly "take" or "acquire" not "control" or "possess"; 3) "vessel" in connection to "honor" in 1 Peter 3:7 refers to wife; 4) ''heautou''—"his own"—seems to be emphatic and would fit fiancé or wife better than body; 5) the NIV and NASB don't make sense, because they say in effect, "learn to control your body . . . not in passionate lust." You can take a woman in passionate lust, but you cannot control your body in passionate lust.]		[Reasons: 1) the parallel in 1 Corinthians 7:2; 2) the meaning of ''ktasthai ''is overwhelmingly "take" or "acquire" not "control" or "possess"; 3) "vessel" in connection to "honor" in 1 Peter 3:7 refers to wife; 4) ''heautou''—"his own"—seems to be emphatic and would fit fiancé or wife better than body; 5) the NIV and NASB don't make sense, because they say in effect, "learn to control your body . . . not in passionate lust." You can take a woman in passionate lust, but you cannot control your body in passionate lust.]

-	But instead of going into detailed arguments for that, I think I can show you the meaning of lust here in all of these translations.	+	But instead of going into detailed arguments for that, I think I can show you the meaning of lust here in all of these translations.

	'''The Opposite of Holiness and Honor'''		'''The Opposite of Holiness and Honor'''
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	Verse 6 says, "that no man transgress and wrong his brother in this matter, because the Lord is an avenger in all these things, as we solemnly forewarned you."		Verse 6 says, "that no man transgress and wrong his brother in this matter, because the Lord is an avenger in all these things, as we solemnly forewarned you."

-	This means that the consequences of lust are going to be worse than the consequences of nuclear war. All that nuclear war can do is kill the body. And Jesus said, "Do not fear those who kill the body and after that have no more that they can do. But I will warn you whom to fear. Fear him who after he has killed has power to cast into hell" (Luke 12:4–5). In other words God's vengeance is much more fearful than earthly annihilation. And according to 1 Thessalonians 4:6 God's vengeance is coming upon those who disregard the warning against lust. ~~<br>~~'''Lust and Eternal Security'''	+	This means that the consequences of lust are going to be worse than the consequences of nuclear war. All that nuclear war can do is kill the body. And Jesus said, "Do not fear those who kill the body and after that have no more that they can do. But I will warn you whom to fear. Fear him who after he has killed has power to cast into hell" (Luke 12:4–5). In other words God's vengeance is much more fearful than earthly annihilation. And according to 1 Thessalonians 4:6 God's vengeance is coming upon those who disregard the warning against lust.
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		+	'''Lust and Eternal Security'''

	This past September I spoke to the student body of Wheaton Christian High School. I took as my topic, "Ten Lessons for Fighting Lust." Lesson number 6 was, "Ponder the eternal danger of lust."		This past September I spoke to the student body of Wheaton Christian High School. I took as my topic, "Ten Lessons for Fighting Lust." Lesson number 6 was, "Ponder the eternal danger of lust."
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	Are we not, then, saved by faith—by believing in Jesus Christ? We are indeed! Those who persevere in faith shall be saved (Matthew 24:13; 10:22; 1 Corinthians 15:3; Colossians 1:23; 2 Thessalonians 2:13). How do you lay hold on eternal life? Paul gives the answer in 1 Timothy 6:12—"Fight the good fight of faith: lay hold on eternal life."		Are we not, then, saved by faith—by believing in Jesus Christ? We are indeed! Those who persevere in faith shall be saved (Matthew 24:13; 10:22; 1 Corinthians 15:3; Colossians 1:23; 2 Thessalonians 2:13). How do you lay hold on eternal life? Paul gives the answer in 1 Timothy 6:12—"Fight the good fight of faith: lay hold on eternal life."

-	That leads us to our main concern this morning—to show that the fight against lust is a battle against unbelief. And the fight for sexual purity is the fight of faith. ~~<br>~~'''The Great Error That Must Be Exploded'''	+	That leads us to our main concern this morning—to show that the fight against lust is a battle against unbelief. And the fight for sexual purity is the fight of faith.
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		+	'''The Great Error That Must Be Exploded'''

	The great error that I am trying to explodein these messages is the error that says, faith in God is one thing and the fight for holiness is another thing. Faith gets you to heaven and holiness gets you rewards. You get your justification by faith, and you get your sanctification by works. You start the Christian life in the power of the Spirit, you press on in the efforts of the flesh. This is the great evangelical error of our day. The battle for obedience is optional, they say, because only faith is necessary for salvation.		The great error that I am trying to explodein these messages is the error that says, faith in God is one thing and the fight for holiness is another thing. Faith gets you to heaven and holiness gets you rewards. You get your justification by faith, and you get your sanctification by works. You start the Christian life in the power of the Spirit, you press on in the efforts of the flesh. This is the great evangelical error of our day. The battle for obedience is optional, they say, because only faith is necessary for salvation.
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	It's the kind of knowledge that you don't have when you say ho-hum during the Hallelujah Chorus or grumble on the rim of the Grand Canyon. Hearing they do not hear and seeing they do not see. It's not that kind of knowledge. It comes like it did for Lydia when the Lord opened the eyes of her heart. At one moment you think you will burst with its fullness, and suddenly there is a chasm of longing for more. It's the knowledge we call faith—the assurance of things hoped for the conviction of things not seen.		It's the kind of knowledge that you don't have when you say ho-hum during the Hallelujah Chorus or grumble on the rim of the Grand Canyon. Hearing they do not hear and seeing they do not see. It's not that kind of knowledge. It comes like it did for Lydia when the Lord opened the eyes of her heart. At one moment you think you will burst with its fullness, and suddenly there is a chasm of longing for more. It's the knowledge we call faith—the assurance of things hoped for the conviction of things not seen.

-	It's a knowledge that is so real, so precious, so satisfying to your soul, that any thought, any attitude, any emotion, any addiction which threatens to hinder this knowledge will be attacked with all the spiritual zeal of a threatened life. This is the fight of faith that rages in the godly soul when lust lures the mind away from God.~~<br>~~	+	It's a knowledge that is so real, so precious, so satisfying to your soul, that any thought, any attitude, any emotion, any addiction which threatens to hinder this knowledge will be attacked with all the spiritual zeal of a threatened life. This is the fight of faith that rages in the godly soul when lust lures the mind away from God.

	'''The Pure Shall See God'''		'''The Pure Shall See God'''

Bhkauflin at 17:46, 30 May 2008

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	[Reasons: 1) the parallel in 1 Corinthians 7:2; 2) the meaning of ''ktasthai ''is overwhelmingly "take" or "acquire" not "control" or "possess"; 3) "vessel" in connection to "honor" in 1 Peter 3:7 refers to wife; 4) ''heautou''—"his own"—seems to be emphatic and would fit fiancé or wife better than body; 5) the NIV and NASB don't make sense, because they say in effect, "learn to control your body . . . not in passionate lust." You can take a woman in passionate lust, but you cannot control your body in passionate lust.]		[Reasons: 1) the parallel in 1 Corinthians 7:2; 2) the meaning of ''ktasthai ''is overwhelmingly "take" or "acquire" not "control" or "possess"; 3) "vessel" in connection to "honor" in 1 Peter 3:7 refers to wife; 4) ''heautou''—"his own"—seems to be emphatic and would fit fiancé or wife better than body; 5) the NIV and NASB don't make sense, because they say in effect, "learn to control your body . . . not in passionate lust." You can take a woman in passionate lust, but you cannot control your body in passionate lust.]

-	But instead of going into detailed arguments for that, I think I can show you the meaning of lust here in all of these translations.~~<br>~~'''The Opposite of Holiness and Honor'''	+	But instead of going into detailed arguments for that, I think I can show you the meaning of lust here in all of these translations.
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		+	'''The Opposite of Holiness and Honor'''

	Notice that verses 4 and 5 say to do something one way but not another way. Take a wife (or control your body/vessel) "in holiness and honor, NOT in the passion of lust." Do you see the contrast: "in holiness and honor NOT in the passion of lust." So the passion of lust is the opposite of holiness and honor. That's where I get the definition of lust.		Notice that verses 4 and 5 say to do something one way but not another way. Take a wife (or control your body/vessel) "in holiness and honor, NOT in the passion of lust." Do you see the contrast: "in holiness and honor NOT in the passion of lust." So the passion of lust is the opposite of holiness and honor. That's where I get the definition of lust.
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	Verse 6 says, "that no man transgress and wrong his brother in this matter, because the Lord is an avenger in all these things, as we solemnly forewarned you."		Verse 6 says, "that no man transgress and wrong his brother in this matter, because the Lord is an avenger in all these things, as we solemnly forewarned you."

-	This means that the consequences of lust are going to be worse than the consequences of nuclear war. All that nuclear war can do is kill the body. And Jesus said, "Do not fear those who kill the body and after that have no more that they can do. But I will warn you whom to fear. Fear him who after he has killed has power to cast into hell" (Luke 12:4–5). In other words God's vengeance is much more fearful than earthly annihilation. And according to 1 Thessalonians 4:6 God's vengeance is coming upon those who disregard the warning against lust.	+	This means that the consequences of lust are going to be worse than the consequences of nuclear war. All that nuclear war can do is kill the body. And Jesus said, "Do not fear those who kill the body and after that have no more that they can do. But I will warn you whom to fear. Fear him who after he has killed has power to cast into hell" (Luke 12:4–5). In other words God's vengeance is much more fearful than earthly annihilation. And according to 1 Thessalonians 4:6 God's vengeance is coming upon those who disregard the warning against lust. <br>'''Lust and Eternal Security'''
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-	'''Lust and Eternal Security'''	+

	This past September I spoke to the student body of Wheaton Christian High School. I took as my topic, "Ten Lessons for Fighting Lust." Lesson number 6 was, "Ponder the eternal danger of lust."		This past September I spoke to the student body of Wheaton Christian High School. I took as my topic, "Ten Lessons for Fighting Lust." Lesson number 6 was, "Ponder the eternal danger of lust."

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	[Reasons: 1) the parallel in 1 Corinthians 7:2; 2) the meaning of ''ktasthai ''is overwhelmingly "take" or "acquire" not "control" or "possess"; 3) "vessel" in connection to "honor" in 1 Peter 3:7 refers to wife; 4) ''heautou''—"his own"—seems to be emphatic and would fit fiancé or wife better than body; 5) the NIV and NASB don't make sense, because they say in effect, "learn to control your body . . . not in passionate lust." You can take a woman in passionate lust, but you cannot control your body in passionate lust.]		[Reasons: 1) the parallel in 1 Corinthians 7:2; 2) the meaning of ''ktasthai ''is overwhelmingly "take" or "acquire" not "control" or "possess"; 3) "vessel" in connection to "honor" in 1 Peter 3:7 refers to wife; 4) ''heautou''—"his own"—seems to be emphatic and would fit fiancé or wife better than body; 5) the NIV and NASB don't make sense, because they say in effect, "learn to control your body . . . not in passionate lust." You can take a woman in passionate lust, but you cannot control your body in passionate lust.]

-	But instead of going into detailed arguments for that, I think I can show you the meaning of lust here in all of these translations.	+	But instead of going into detailed arguments for that, I think I can show you the meaning of lust here in all of these translations.<br>'''The Opposite of Holiness and Honor'''
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-	'''The Opposite of Holiness and Honor'''	+

	Notice that verses 4 and 5 say to do something one way but not another way. Take a wife (or control your body/vessel) "in holiness and honor, NOT in the passion of lust." Do you see the contrast: "in holiness and honor NOT in the passion of lust." So the passion of lust is the opposite of holiness and honor. That's where I get the definition of lust.		Notice that verses 4 and 5 say to do something one way but not another way. Take a wife (or control your body/vessel) "in holiness and honor, NOT in the passion of lust." Do you see the contrast: "in holiness and honor NOT in the passion of lust." So the passion of lust is the opposite of holiness and honor. That's where I get the definition of lust.
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	Verse 6 says, "that no man transgress and wrong his brother in this matter, because the Lord is an avenger in all these things, as we solemnly forewarned you."		Verse 6 says, "that no man transgress and wrong his brother in this matter, because the Lord is an avenger in all these things, as we solemnly forewarned you."

-	This means that the consequences of lust are going to be worse than the consequences of nuclear war. All that nuclear war can do is kill the body. And Jesus said, "Do not fear those who kill the body and after that have no more that they can do. But I will warn you whom to fear. Fear him who after he has killed has power to cast into hell" (Luke 12:4–5). In other words God's vengeance is much more fearful than earthly annihilation. And according to 1 Thessalonians 4:6 God's vengeance is coming upon those who disregard the warning against lust. ~~<br>~~'''Lust and Eternal Security'''	+	This means that the consequences of lust are going to be worse than the consequences of nuclear war. All that nuclear war can do is kill the body. And Jesus said, "Do not fear those who kill the body and after that have no more that they can do. But I will warn you whom to fear. Fear him who after he has killed has power to cast into hell" (Luke 12:4–5). In other words God's vengeance is much more fearful than earthly annihilation. And according to 1 Thessalonians 4:6 God's vengeance is coming upon those who disregard the warning against lust.
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		+	'''Lust and Eternal Security'''

	This past September I spoke to the student body of Wheaton Christian High School. I took as my topic, "Ten Lessons for Fighting Lust." Lesson number 6 was, "Ponder the eternal danger of lust."		This past September I spoke to the student body of Wheaton Christian High School. I took as my topic, "Ten Lessons for Fighting Lust." Lesson number 6 was, "Ponder the eternal danger of lust."
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	Are we not, then, saved by faith—by believing in Jesus Christ? We are indeed! Those who persevere in faith shall be saved (Matthew 24:13; 10:22; 1 Corinthians 15:3; Colossians 1:23; 2 Thessalonians 2:13). How do you lay hold on eternal life? Paul gives the answer in 1 Timothy 6:12—"Fight the good fight of faith: lay hold on eternal life."		Are we not, then, saved by faith—by believing in Jesus Christ? We are indeed! Those who persevere in faith shall be saved (Matthew 24:13; 10:22; 1 Corinthians 15:3; Colossians 1:23; 2 Thessalonians 2:13). How do you lay hold on eternal life? Paul gives the answer in 1 Timothy 6:12—"Fight the good fight of faith: lay hold on eternal life."

-	That leads us to our main concern this morning—to show that the fight against lust is a battle against unbelief. And the fight for sexual purity is the fight of faith.	+	That leads us to our main concern this morning—to show that the fight against lust is a battle against unbelief. And the fight for sexual purity is the fight of faith. <br>'''The Great Error That Must Be Exploded'''
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-	'''The Great Error That Must Be Exploded'''	+

	The great error that I am trying to explodein these messages is the error that says, faith in God is one thing and the fight for holiness is another thing. Faith gets you to heaven and holiness gets you rewards. You get your justification by faith, and you get your sanctification by works. You start the Christian life in the power of the Spirit, you press on in the efforts of the flesh. This is the great evangelical error of our day. The battle for obedience is optional, they say, because only faith is necessary for salvation.		The great error that I am trying to explodein these messages is the error that says, faith in God is one thing and the fight for holiness is another thing. Faith gets you to heaven and holiness gets you rewards. You get your justification by faith, and you get your sanctification by works. You start the Christian life in the power of the Spirit, you press on in the efforts of the flesh. This is the great evangelical error of our day. The battle for obedience is optional, they say, because only faith is necessary for salvation.

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	[Reasons: 1) the parallel in 1 Corinthians 7:2; 2) the meaning of ''ktasthai ''is overwhelmingly "take" or "acquire" not "control" or "possess"; 3) "vessel" in connection to "honor" in 1 Peter 3:7 refers to wife; 4) ''heautou''—"his own"—seems to be emphatic and would fit fiancé or wife better than body; 5) the NIV and NASB don't make sense, because they say in effect, "learn to control your body . . . not in passionate lust." You can take a woman in passionate lust, but you cannot control your body in passionate lust.]		[Reasons: 1) the parallel in 1 Corinthians 7:2; 2) the meaning of ''ktasthai ''is overwhelmingly "take" or "acquire" not "control" or "possess"; 3) "vessel" in connection to "honor" in 1 Peter 3:7 refers to wife; 4) ''heautou''—"his own"—seems to be emphatic and would fit fiancé or wife better than body; 5) the NIV and NASB don't make sense, because they say in effect, "learn to control your body . . . not in passionate lust." You can take a woman in passionate lust, but you cannot control your body in passionate lust.]

-	But instead of going into detailed arguments for that, I think I can show you the meaning of lust here in all of these translations.~~<br>~~'''The Opposite of Holiness and Honor'''	+	But instead of going into detailed arguments for that, I think I can show you the meaning of lust here in all of these translations.
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		+	'''The Opposite of Holiness and Honor'''

	Notice that verses 4 and 5 say to do something one way but not another way. Take a wife (or control your body/vessel) "in holiness and honor, NOT in the passion of lust." Do you see the contrast: "in holiness and honor NOT in the passion of lust." So the passion of lust is the opposite of holiness and honor. That's where I get the definition of lust.		Notice that verses 4 and 5 say to do something one way but not another way. Take a wife (or control your body/vessel) "in holiness and honor, NOT in the passion of lust." Do you see the contrast: "in holiness and honor NOT in the passion of lust." So the passion of lust is the opposite of holiness and honor. That's where I get the definition of lust.
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	Are we not, then, saved by faith—by believing in Jesus Christ? We are indeed! Those who persevere in faith shall be saved (Matthew 24:13; 10:22; 1 Corinthians 15:3; Colossians 1:23; 2 Thessalonians 2:13). How do you lay hold on eternal life? Paul gives the answer in 1 Timothy 6:12—"Fight the good fight of faith: lay hold on eternal life."		Are we not, then, saved by faith—by believing in Jesus Christ? We are indeed! Those who persevere in faith shall be saved (Matthew 24:13; 10:22; 1 Corinthians 15:3; Colossians 1:23; 2 Thessalonians 2:13). How do you lay hold on eternal life? Paul gives the answer in 1 Timothy 6:12—"Fight the good fight of faith: lay hold on eternal life."

-	That leads us to our main concern this morning—to show that the fight against lust is a battle against unbelief. And the fight for sexual purity is the fight of faith. ~~<br>~~'''The Great Error That Must Be Exploded'''	+	That leads us to our main concern this morning—to show that the fight against lust is a battle against unbelief. And the fight for sexual purity is the fight of faith.
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		+	'''The Great Error That Must Be Exploded'''

	The great error that I am trying to explodein these messages is the error that says, faith in God is one thing and the fight for holiness is another thing. Faith gets you to heaven and holiness gets you rewards. You get your justification by faith, and you get your sanctification by works. You start the Christian life in the power of the Spirit, you press on in the efforts of the flesh. This is the great evangelical error of our day. The battle for obedience is optional, they say, because only faith is necessary for salvation.		The great error that I am trying to explodein these messages is the error that says, faith in God is one thing and the fight for holiness is another thing. Faith gets you to heaven and holiness gets you rewards. You get your justification by faith, and you get your sanctification by works. You start the Christian life in the power of the Spirit, you press on in the efforts of the flesh. This is the great evangelical error of our day. The battle for obedience is optional, they say, because only faith is necessary for salvation.