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&lt;br /&gt;
The first address in this series outlined some factors that&lt;br /&gt;
make the doctrine of the love of God a difficult thing to talk about.&lt;br /&gt;
Some of these are cultural; others are bound up with the challenge&lt;br /&gt;
of trying to integrate the many varied and complementary things&lt;br /&gt;
the Bible says about the love of God. Further, what does such love&lt;br /&gt;
look like in a God who is omnipotent, omniscient, sovereign, and&lt;br /&gt;
transcendent? The Bible speaks of God's intra-Trinitarian love,&lt;br /&gt;
His providential love, His yearning and salvific love that pleads&lt;br /&gt;
with sinners, His elective love, and His conditional love. That&lt;br /&gt;
first address also discussed what can go wrong if any one of these&lt;br /&gt;
is absolutized.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The second address reflected on a few Bible passages that disclose&lt;br /&gt;
the intra-Trinitarian love of God, and considered some of&lt;br /&gt;
the implications. Now in this third address the focus is on God's&lt;br /&gt;
love for human beings, but especially in relation to His own transcendence&lt;br /&gt;
and sovereignty.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
====The Affective Element in God's Love====&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Though some have attempted to strip God's love of affective content,&lt;br /&gt;
making it no more than willed commitment to the other's&lt;br /&gt;
good, the philology does not support this view, nor does 1 Corinthians&lt;br /&gt;
13, where the apostle insists it is possible to deploy the most&lt;br /&gt;
stupendous altruism without love.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;More on these points can be found in D. A. Carson, &amp;quot;On Distorting the Love of God,&amp;quot; ''Bibliotheca Sacra'' 156 (January-March 1999): 3-12.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; It is worth pausing to note also&lt;br /&gt;
some specific texts where the vibrant, affective element in the love&lt;br /&gt;
of God is almost overpowering.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
One of the most striking passages is Hosea 11. Of course the&lt;br /&gt;
entire prophecy of Hosea is an astonishing portrayal of the love of&lt;br /&gt;
God. Almighty God is likened to a betrayed and cuckolded husband.&lt;br /&gt;
But the intensity of God's passion for the covenant nation&lt;br /&gt;
comes to a climax in chapter 11. 'When Israel was a child,&amp;quot; God&lt;br /&gt;
declares, &amp;quot;I loved him, and out of Egypt I called my son&amp;quot; (v. I).&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;All Scripture quotations are from the New International Version, unless noted otherwise.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
The Exodus thus marks the origin of this covenant relationship.&lt;br /&gt;
But the more God called Israel, the more they drifted away. God&lt;br /&gt;
was the One who cared for them, taught them to walk, and healed&lt;br /&gt;
them. He was the One who &amp;quot;led them with cords of human kindness&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
(v. 4). Yet they did not recognize Him. They sacrificed to&lt;br /&gt;
the Baals and loved idolatry. So God promised judgment; they&lt;br /&gt;
would return to &amp;quot;Egypt&amp;quot; and be subject to Assyria, that is, experience&lt;br /&gt;
captivity and slavery, &amp;quot;because they refuse to repent&amp;quot; (v. 5).&lt;br /&gt;
Their cities would be destroyed (v. 6). &amp;quot;My people are determined&lt;br /&gt;
to turn from me. Even if they call to the Most High, he will by no&lt;br /&gt;
means exalt them&amp;quot; (v. 7). Thus it sounds as if implacable judgment&lt;br /&gt;
has been pronounced.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
But then it is almost as if God cannot endure the thought. In&lt;br /&gt;
an agony of emotional intensity He cries, &amp;quot; 'How can I give you&lt;br /&gt;
up, Ephraim? How can I hand you over, Israel? How can I treat&lt;br /&gt;
you like Admah? How can I make you like Zeboiim? My heart is&lt;br /&gt;
changed within me; all my compassion is aroused. I will not&lt;br /&gt;
carry out my fierce anger, nor will I turn and devastate Ephraim.&lt;br /&gt;
For I am God, and not man—the Holy One among you. I will not&lt;br /&gt;
come in wrath. They will follow the Lord; he will roar like a lion.&lt;br /&gt;
When he roars, his children will come trembling from the west.&lt;br /&gt;
They will come trembling like birds from Egypt, like doves from&lt;br /&gt;
Assyria. I will settle them in their homes/ declares the LORD&amp;quot; (W.&lt;br /&gt;
8-11).&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
This passage as a whole means that the promised, impending&lt;br /&gt;
judgment will not be the last word. Exile will be followed by return.&lt;br /&gt;
When God declares that His heart is changed within Him&lt;br /&gt;
and all His compassion is aroused, He does not mean He has&lt;br /&gt;
changed His mind and Israel will be spared the punishment He&lt;br /&gt;
decreed a few verses earlier. Rather, He means that any longterm&lt;br /&gt;
threat of permanent judgment must be set aside: God will&lt;br /&gt;
bring them back from captivity.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
At one level this promise of return is common among the preexilic&lt;br /&gt;
prophets. The emotional intensity of this passage is what&lt;br /&gt;
especially draws our attention. Yet we should not be surprised.&lt;br /&gt;
God repeatedly discloses Himself as a jealous God (as in the&lt;br /&gt;
Decalogue), the God who abounds in &amp;quot;love and faithfulness.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
That glorious pair of words, constantly repeated in the Old Testament,&lt;br /&gt;
was intoned to Moses as he hid in a cleft of the rock until&lt;br /&gt;
he was permitted to peek out and glimpse something of the afterglow&lt;br /&gt;
of the glory of God (Exod. 34:6). God grieves (Ps. 78:40; Eph.&lt;br /&gt;
4:30); He rejoices (Isa. 62:5); His wrath burns hot against His&lt;br /&gt;
foes (Exod. 32:10); He pities (Ps. 103:13). And as already noted,&lt;br /&gt;
He loves, indeed, with an everlasting love (103:17; Isa. 54:8).&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
In passages such as 1 John 4:7-11 believers are urged to love&lt;br /&gt;
one another, since love is of God. The high point in the demonstration&lt;br /&gt;
of God's love is His sending His Son as the &amp;quot;atoning sacrifice&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
for our sins. &amp;quot;Dear friends,&amp;quot; John concludes, &amp;quot;since God&lt;br /&gt;
so loved us, we also ought to love one another&amp;quot; (v. 11). Whatever&lt;br /&gt;
the distinctive elements in the love of God, the same word is used&lt;br /&gt;
for God's love and the Christian's love, and God's love is both the&lt;br /&gt;
model and the incentive of our love. Doubtless God's love is immeasurably&lt;br /&gt;
richer than ours, in ways still to be explored, but His&lt;br /&gt;
love and our love belong to the same genus, or the parallelisms&lt;br /&gt;
could not be drawn.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Many Christian traditions affirm the impassibility of God.&lt;br /&gt;
The Westminster Confession of Faith asserts that God is &amp;quot;without&lt;br /&gt;
. . . passions.&amp;quot; If this is taken to mean that God is emotionless, it&lt;br /&gt;
is profoundly unbiblical and should be repudiated. But the most&lt;br /&gt;
learned discussion over impassibility is not so simplistic. Although&lt;br /&gt;
Aristotle has exercised more than a little scarcely recognized&lt;br /&gt;
influence on those who uphold impassibility, at its best impassibility&lt;br /&gt;
is trying to avoid a picture of a God who is changeable,&lt;br /&gt;
given to mood swings, and dependent on His creatures. ''Our'' passions&lt;br /&gt;
shape our direction and frequently control our will. What&lt;br /&gt;
should we say of God?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
====The Sovereignty and Transcendence of God====&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Five facts about God's sovereignty need to be noted, facts that relate&lt;br /&gt;
to God's love.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
First, God is utterly sovereign (He is both omnipotent and&lt;br /&gt;
omniscient) and He is transcendent (in Himself He exists above&lt;br /&gt;
time and space, i.e., above the created order with its intrinsic&lt;br /&gt;
limitations). God is omnipotent, that is, He is able to do anything&lt;br /&gt;
He wishes. Nothing is too hard for Him (Jer. 32:17); He is the&lt;br /&gt;
Almighty (2 Cor. 6:18; Rev. 1:8). Jesus insists that with God all&lt;br /&gt;
things are possible (Matt. 19:26). His sovereignty extends over the&lt;br /&gt;
millions of stars in the universe, over the fall of a sparrow, over&lt;br /&gt;
the exact count of the hairs of one's head. If you throw a pair of&lt;br /&gt;
dice, the numbers that come up lie in the determination of God&lt;br /&gt;
(Prov. 16:33). Ecclesiastes shows that the ancients knew of the&lt;br /&gt;
water cycle, but still the biblical writers preferred to say that God&lt;br /&gt;
sends the rain. He is not the distant God espoused by Deism.&lt;br /&gt;
Through the exalted Son He upholds all things by His powerful&lt;br /&gt;
word (Heb. 1:3); indeed, He &amp;quot;works out everything in conformity&lt;br /&gt;
with the purpose of his will&amp;quot; (Eph. 1:11). This control extends as&lt;br /&gt;
much to sentient beings as to inanimate objects. He can tur n the&lt;br /&gt;
heart of the king in any direction He sees fit (Prov. 21:1). He is&lt;br /&gt;
the Potter who has the right to make some pottery for noble purposes&lt;br /&gt;
and some for common use (Rom. 9:21). There can be no degrees&lt;br /&gt;
of difficulty with an omnipotent God.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Moreover, He enjoys all knowledge. He not only knows everything;&lt;br /&gt;
He even knows what might have occurred under different&lt;br /&gt;
circumstances (more or less what philosophers call &amp;quot;middle&lt;br /&gt;
knowledge&amp;quot;), and takes that into account when He judges (Matt.&lt;br /&gt;
11:20-24). The Bible includes several examples of God knowing&lt;br /&gt;
what is labeled free contingent future decisions (e.g., 1 Sam.&lt;br /&gt;
23:11-13). God's knowledge is perfect (Job 37:16). &amp;quot;He does not&lt;br /&gt;
have to reason to conclusions or ponder carefully before he answers,&lt;br /&gt;
for he knows the end from the beginning, and he never&lt;br /&gt;
learns and never forgets anything (cf. Ps. 90:4; 2 Peter 3:8).&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Wayne Grudem, ''Systematic Theology: An Introduction to Biblical Doctrine'' (Grand Rapids: Zondervan, 1994), 191.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Precisely because He is the Creator of the universe, He must be&lt;br /&gt;
independent from it. Indeed, in fine expressions that stretch the&lt;br /&gt;
imagination, Isaiah affirms that God, the high and lofty One,&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;lives forever&amp;quot; (57:15) or &amp;quot;inhabits eternity&amp;quot; (RSV).&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Second, God's sovereignty extends to election. Election may&lt;br /&gt;
refer to God's choice of the nation of Israel, to His choice of all the&lt;br /&gt;
people of God, or to His choice of individuals. The latter may be&lt;br /&gt;
for salvation or for particular missions. Election is so important&lt;br /&gt;
to God that He actually arranged to choose the younger of the two&lt;br /&gt;
sons, Jacob and Esau, before they were born and therefore before&lt;br /&gt;
either had done anything good or bad. This is so that &amp;quot;God's purpose&lt;br /&gt;
in election might stand&amp;quot; (Rom. 9:11). Even the highly diverse&lt;br /&gt;
ways in which new converts are described in the Book of&lt;br /&gt;
Acts reflects the comfortable, unembarrassed way in which New&lt;br /&gt;
Testament writers refer to election. We often speak of people who&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;accept Jesus as their personal Savior.&amp;quot; These words are not&lt;br /&gt;
found in Scripture, though they are not necessarily wrong as a&lt;br /&gt;
synthetic expression. But Acts sums up evangelism at Pisidian&lt;br /&gt;
Antioch by reporting that &amp;quot;all who were appointed for eternal life&lt;br /&gt;
believed&amp;quot; (13:48). Writing of Christians , Paul says that God&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;chose us in him [Christ] before the creation of the world. . . . He&lt;br /&gt;
predestined us to be adopted as his sons through Jesus Christ&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
(Eph. 1:4-5). God chose the Thessalonian converts from the beginning&lt;br /&gt;
to be saved (2 Thess. 2:13). Believers constitute a chosen&lt;br /&gt;
race (1 Pet. 2:9). God's election even extends to angels (1 Tim.&lt;br /&gt;
5:21). This shows that election is not always tied to salvation&lt;br /&gt;
(since there has arisen a Redeemer for fallen human beings but&lt;br /&gt;
not for fallen angels), but is properly a function of God's sweeping&lt;br /&gt;
sovereignty.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Moreover, the Lord's electing love is immutable. All that the&lt;br /&gt;
Father has given to the Son will come to Him, and the Son will&lt;br /&gt;
lose none of them because He came down from heaven to do the&lt;br /&gt;
Father's will. And this is the Father's will, that He lose none of&lt;br /&gt;
those the Father has given Him (John 6:37-40). In other words for&lt;br /&gt;
the Son to lose any of those the Father has given Him, He would&lt;br /&gt;
have to be either unable or unwilling to obey His Father's command.&lt;br /&gt;
Small wonder, then, that John says Jesus knows His own&lt;br /&gt;
sheep, and no one shall pluck them out of His hand (10:28-29).&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Third, Christians are not fatalists. The central line of&lt;br /&gt;
Christian tradition neither sacrifices the utter sovereignty of God&lt;br /&gt;
nor reduces the responsibility of His image-bearers. In philosophical&lt;br /&gt;
theology this position is sometimes called compatibilism.&lt;br /&gt;
It simply means that God's unconditioned sovereignty and&lt;br /&gt;
the responsibility of human beings are mutually compatible. It&lt;br /&gt;
does not claim to show how they are compatible. It claims only&lt;br /&gt;
that the evidence shows that they are not necessarily incompatible,&lt;br /&gt;
and that it is therefore entirely reasonable to think they are&lt;br /&gt;
compatible if there is good evidence for this.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt; I have dealt with such matters at greater length in ''Divine Sovereignty and Human Responsibility'' (Atlanta: Knox, 1981; reprint, Grand Rapids: Baker, 1994) and in ''How Long, O Lord? Reflections on Suffering and Evil'' (Grand Rapids: Baker, 1990), especially chapters 11-12.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The biblical evidence is compelling. When Joseph told his&lt;br /&gt;
fearful brothers that when they sold him into slavery God intended&lt;br /&gt;
it for good while they intended it for evil (Gen. 50:19-20),&lt;br /&gt;
he was assuming compatibilism. He did not picture the event as&lt;br /&gt;
wicked human machination into which God intervened to bring&lt;br /&gt;
forth good. Nor did he imagine God's intention had been to send&lt;br /&gt;
him down there with a fine escort and a modern chariot but that&lt;br /&gt;
unfortunately the brothers had mucked up the plan and so poor&lt;br /&gt;
Joseph had to go down there as a slave. Rather, in one and the&lt;br /&gt;
same event, God was operating and His intentions were good,&lt;br /&gt;
and the brothers' intentions were evil. When God addressed Assyria&lt;br /&gt;
in Isaiah 10:5-19, He told them they were nothing more&lt;br /&gt;
than tools in His hand to punish wicked Israel. However, because&lt;br /&gt;
they thought they were doing all this by their own strength and&lt;br /&gt;
power, the Lord would turn around and tear them to pieces to punish&lt;br /&gt;
their hubris after He had finished using them as a tool. That&lt;br /&gt;
is compatibilism. There are dozens and dozens of such passages&lt;br /&gt;
in Scripture, scattered through both Testaments.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Perhaps the most striking instance of compatibilism is&lt;br /&gt;
recorded in Acts 4:23-29. The church had suffered its first whiff&lt;br /&gt;
of persecution. Peter and John reported what had happened. The&lt;br /&gt;
church prayed to God in the language of Psalm 2. Their prayer&lt;br /&gt;
continued: &amp;quot;Indeed Herod and Pontius Pilate met together with&lt;br /&gt;
the Gentiles and the people of Israel in this city to conspire against&lt;br /&gt;
your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed. They did what your&lt;br /&gt;
power and will had decided beforehand should happen&amp;quot; (Acts&lt;br /&gt;
4:27-28). On the one hand there was a terrible conspiracy that&lt;br /&gt;
swept along Herod, Pilate, Gentile authorities, and Jewish leaders.&lt;br /&gt;
They conspired together and were accountable. On the other&lt;br /&gt;
hand they did what God's power and will had decided beforehand&lt;br /&gt;
should happen.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
A moment's reflection discloses that any other account of&lt;br /&gt;
what happened would destroy biblical Christianity. If the crucifixion&lt;br /&gt;
of Jesus Christ is pictured solely in terms of the conspiracy&lt;br /&gt;
of the local political authorities at the time, and not in terms of&lt;br /&gt;
God's plan (except perhaps that He decided at the last moment to&lt;br /&gt;
use the death in a way He Himself had not foreseen), then this&lt;br /&gt;
means the Cross was an accident of history. If it were an accident&lt;br /&gt;
cleverly manipulated by God in His own interests, but not part of&lt;br /&gt;
the divine plan, then the entire pattern of antecedent predictive&lt;br /&gt;
revelation would be destroyed (including the Day of Atonement,&lt;br /&gt;
the Passover lamb, the sacrificial system, and so forth). On the&lt;br /&gt;
other hand if a person stresses God's sovereignty in Jesus' death,&lt;br /&gt;
exulting that all the participants &amp;quot;did what your power and will&lt;br /&gt;
had decided beforehand should happen&amp;quot; (4:28), while forgetting&lt;br /&gt;
that it was a wicked conspiracy, then Herod, Pilate, Judas Iscariot,&lt;br /&gt;
and the rest are exonerated of evil. If God's sovereignty&lt;br /&gt;
means that everyone under it is immune from charges of transgression,&lt;br /&gt;
then there is no sin for which atonement is necessary.&lt;br /&gt;
So why the Cross? Either way, the Cross is destroyed.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
In short, compatibilism is a necessary component to any orthodox&lt;br /&gt;
view of God and the world. Inevitably compatibilism&lt;br /&gt;
raises important and difficult questions regarding secondary&lt;br /&gt;
causality, how human accountability should be grounded, and&lt;br /&gt;
much more that needs attention at another time.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Fourth, God is immutable. &amp;quot;But you remain the same, and&lt;br /&gt;
your years will never end,&amp;quot; writes the psalmist (Ps. 102:27). &amp;quot;I the&lt;br /&gt;
LORD do not change&amp;quot; (Mai. 3:6), the Almighty declares. His purposes are secure, and their accomplishment inevitable.&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;Remember this, fix it in mind, take it to heart, you rebels. Remember&lt;br /&gt;
the former things, those of long ago; I am God, and there&lt;br /&gt;
is no other; I am God, and there is none like me. I make known&lt;br /&gt;
the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to&lt;br /&gt;
come. I say: My purpose will stand, and I will do all that I please.&lt;br /&gt;
. . . What I have said, that will I bring about; what I have planned,&lt;br /&gt;
that will I do&amp;quot; (Isa. 46:8-11). &amp;quot;The plans of the Lord stand firm&lt;br /&gt;
forever, the purposes of his heart through all generations&amp;quot; (Ps.&lt;br /&gt;
33:11; cf. Matt. 13:35; 25:34; Eph. 1:4, 11; 1 Pet. 1:20).&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Rightly conceived, God's immutability is enormously important.&lt;br /&gt;
It engenders stability and elicits worship. Bavinck&lt;br /&gt;
speaks of God's unchangeable nature this way: &amp;quot;The doctrine of&lt;br /&gt;
God's immutability is of the highest significance for religion.&lt;br /&gt;
The contrast between being and becoming marks the difference&lt;br /&gt;
between the Creator and the creature. Every creature is continually&lt;br /&gt;
becoming. It is changeable, constantly striving, seeks rest&lt;br /&gt;
and satisfaction, and finds rest in God, in him alone, for only he&lt;br /&gt;
is pure being and no becoming. Hence, in Scripture God is often&lt;br /&gt;
called the Rock.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Herman Bavinck, ''The Doctrine of God'', trans William Hendnksen (Edinburgh Banner of Truth, 1951), 49. Cf. Carl F. H. Henry,'' God, Revelation and Authority'', vol 5 ''God Who Stands and Stays'', Part One (Waco, TX Word, 1982), chapter 15.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Yet when God's immutability is carefully discussed, theologians&lt;br /&gt;
acknowledge that He is not immutable in every possible&lt;br /&gt;
way or domain. He is unchanging in His being, purposes, and&lt;br /&gt;
perfections. But this does not mean He cannot interact with His&lt;br /&gt;
image-bearers in their time. The purposes of God from eternity&lt;br /&gt;
past were to send the Son, but at a set moment in time and space the&lt;br /&gt;
Son was actually incarnated. Even the most superficial reading&lt;br /&gt;
of Scripture discloses God as a personal being who interacts with&lt;br /&gt;
humans. None of this is ruled out by immutability.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Fifth, this view of God's sovereignty is coming under increasing&lt;br /&gt;
attack, not only from numerous process theologians,&lt;br /&gt;
whose primary recourse is to philosophical analysis and synthesis,&lt;br /&gt;
but also from some who seek to ground their work in the Bible.&lt;br /&gt;
This is now sometimes called the &amp;quot;open&amp;quot; view of God.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Clark Pinnock et al, ''The Open View of God A Biblical Challenge to the Traditional View of God'' (Downers Grove, IL InterVarsity, 1994)&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Sophisticated&lt;br /&gt;
responses are beginning to appear, though the debate cannot&lt;br /&gt;
be discussed here. Some of these writers appeal to the approximately&lt;br /&gt;
thirty-five texts where God is clearly said to &amp;quot;repent&amp;quot; (KJV)&lt;br /&gt;
or &amp;quot;relent&amp;quot; (NIV) or change His mind. What shall we make of&lt;br /&gt;
these verses?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
God relented over a step He had already taken (Gen. 6:6-7; 1&lt;br /&gt;
Sam. 15:11, 35). He relented over what He had said He would do or&lt;br /&gt;
even had started doing (Pss. 90:13; 106:44-45; Jer . 18:7-10; 26:3,&lt;br /&gt;
13, 19; Joel 2:13-14; Jon. 3:9-10; 4:2), sometimes in response to the&lt;br /&gt;
prayer of an intercessor (Exod. 32:12-14; Amos 7:3-6). For those&lt;br /&gt;
in the &amp;quot;openness of God&amp;quot; camp, these passages control the discussion,&lt;br /&gt;
and the passages already discussed that affirm God's immutability&lt;br /&gt;
must be softened or explained away. But this cannot be&lt;br /&gt;
done responsibly.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;See the excellent essay by Millard Erickson, &amp;quot;God and Change,&amp;quot; ''Southern Baptist Journal of Theology'' 1 (1997): 38-51.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Many of these verses relate to God's refusing to destroy some&lt;br /&gt;
part y because that party had repented (e.g., God relented in the&lt;br /&gt;
matter of destroying Nineveh because the city repented; Jon. 3:9-&lt;br /&gt;
10). Some of the prophets ''told'' their readers that that is what God's&lt;br /&gt;
purpose had been all along when He made such threat s (e.g.,&lt;br /&gt;
Ezek. 3:16-21; 33:1-20). This is simply a way of saying that&lt;br /&gt;
God's purposes are immutable when the situation is such and&lt;br /&gt;
such; His purposes are different for a different set of circumstances.&lt;br /&gt;
As for God relenting in response to the prayer s of His&lt;br /&gt;
people, one cannot think of such prayer warriors, whether Moses&lt;br /&gt;
or Amos, arising apart from God raising them up; yet on the other&lt;br /&gt;
hand, He condemned the people for not producing intercessors in&lt;br /&gt;
the hour of need (e.g., 22:30-31). This is compatibilism; the same&lt;br /&gt;
components recur. God remains sovereign over everything, and&lt;br /&gt;
His purposes are good; He interacts with human beings; human&lt;br /&gt;
beings sometimes do things well, impelled by God's grace, and&lt;br /&gt;
He gets the credit; they frequently do things that are wicked, and&lt;br /&gt;
al though they never escape the outermost bounds of God's&lt;br /&gt;
sovereignty, they alone are responsible and must take the blame.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
This is not to suggest that any of this is easy or straightforward.&lt;br /&gt;
Sooner or later one retreats into the recognition that there&lt;br /&gt;
are some mysteries in the very being of God. The deepest of these&lt;br /&gt;
are related to the fact that God as He has disclosed Himself in&lt;br /&gt;
Scripture is simultaneously sovereign/ transcendent , and personal.&lt;br /&gt;
We cannot experience what it means to be sovereign or&lt;br /&gt;
transcendent . We are finite creatures limited by time and space,&lt;br /&gt;
with impregnable limitations on our authority and power. But we&lt;br /&gt;
can extrapolate what authority and power mean until we glimpse&lt;br /&gt;
in imagination what absolute sovereignty means, and we see that&lt;br /&gt;
that is what Scripture ascribes to God. As little as we know about&lt;br /&gt;
time and space, we can roughly imagine what transcendence&lt;br /&gt;
means by a series of reflective negations (transcendence is not&lt;br /&gt;
limited by time and space), and we see that the Bible can talk&lt;br /&gt;
about God that way. But in our personal experiences we are finite&lt;br /&gt;
beings interacting with finite beings so that it is difficult for us to&lt;br /&gt;
attach &amp;quot;personal&amp;quot; to God.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
If I enter into a &amp;quot;personal&amp;quot; friendship with you, I ask questions,&lt;br /&gt;
get to know you, share things with you, find myself rebuked&lt;br /&gt;
by you, rebuke you in return, surprise you, listen to your conversation,&lt;br /&gt;
learn what I did not know, and so forth. Sequence and&lt;br /&gt;
finitude are presupposed. And you experience the same things at&lt;br /&gt;
the other end of this &amp;quot;personal&amp;quot; relationship. But what does it&lt;br /&gt;
mean to have a personal relationship with the transcendent,&lt;br /&gt;
sovereign God? We cannot easily imagine this, whether by extrapolation&lt;br /&gt;
of our finite experience or by strategic negations. We&lt;br /&gt;
can see from His gracious revelation in Scripture and in Jesus&lt;br /&gt;
Himself, that God is personal, but it is difficult for us to conceive&lt;br /&gt;
exactly what that means. Lose that element, and you retreat into&lt;br /&gt;
Deism, or pantheism, or something worse. God's sovereign transcendence&lt;br /&gt;
and His personhood are both maintained in the Bible.&lt;br /&gt;
Elevating His personhood to the exclusion of His transcendent&lt;br /&gt;
sovereignty leads to the view that God is finite, progressively reduced,&lt;br /&gt;
and certainly not the God of the Bible. That is the track being&lt;br /&gt;
adopted by the proponents of an &amp;quot;open&amp;quot; God.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
====A Rightly Constrained Impassibility====&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Since God is utterly sovereign and all-knowing, what space is&lt;br /&gt;
left for His emotions? The divine oracles that picture God in pain&lt;br /&gt;
or joy or love surely seem a little out of place when this God knows&lt;br /&gt;
the end from the beginning, cannot be surprised, and remains in&lt;br /&gt;
charge of everything.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
From such a perspective, is it not obvious that the doctrine of&lt;br /&gt;
the love of God is difficult?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
It is inadequate to answer by espousing a form of impassibility&lt;br /&gt;
that denies that God has an emotional life, and that insists that&lt;br /&gt;
all the biblical evidence to the contrary is nothing more than anthropopathism.&lt;br /&gt;
The price is too heavy. This means that though&lt;br /&gt;
you rest in God's sovereignty, you can no longer rejoice in His&lt;br /&gt;
love. This means you can rejoice only in a linguistic expression&lt;br /&gt;
that is an accommodation of some reality of which we cannot conceive,&lt;br /&gt;
couched in the anthropopathism of love. Paul did not pray&lt;br /&gt;
that his readers might be able to grasp the height and depth and&lt;br /&gt;
length and breadth of an anthropopathism, and to know this anthropopathism&lt;br /&gt;
that surpasses knowledge (Eph. 3:14-21).&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Nor is it adequate to suggest that the &amp;quot;immanent&amp;quot; Trinity&lt;br /&gt;
(which refers to God as He is in Himself, transcendent from the&lt;br /&gt;
creation and focusing on His internal acts) is utterly impassible,&lt;br /&gt;
while the &amp;quot;economic&amp;quot; Trinity (which refers to God as He is immanent&lt;br /&gt;
in His creation, focusing solely on deeds outside of Himself&lt;br /&gt;
and in relation to His creation) does indeed suffer, including&lt;br /&gt;
the suffering of love.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;The most recent defense of this position is that of Peter D. Anders, &amp;quot;Divine Impassibility and Our Suffering God: How an Evangelical 'Theology of the Cross' Can and Should Affirm Both,&amp;quot; ''Modern  Reformation'' 6 (July/August 1997): 24-30.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; I worry about such a great divorce between&lt;br /&gt;
God as He is in Himself and God as He interacts with the created&lt;br /&gt;
order. Such distinctions have heuristic usefulness now and then,&lt;br /&gt;
but the resulting synthesis in this case is so far removed from&lt;br /&gt;
what the Bible actually says that this leads down a blind alley. If&lt;br /&gt;
we affirm the love of God as He is in Himself (the immanent&lt;br /&gt;
Trinity), how is that love connected with His love interacting&lt;br /&gt;
with the world (the economic Trinity), which is clearly a vulnerable&lt;br /&gt;
love that feels pain?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Yet before writing off the impassibility of God, we must gratefully&lt;br /&gt;
recognize what that doctrine is seeking to preserve. It is trying&lt;br /&gt;
to ward off the kind of sentimentalizing views of the love of&lt;br /&gt;
God and of other emotions (&amp;quot;passions&amp;quot;) in God that ultimately&lt;br /&gt;
make Him a souped-up human being, but no more. For instance a&lt;br /&gt;
God who is terribly vulnerable to the pain caused by our rebellion&lt;br /&gt;
is scarcely a God who is in control or a God who is so perfect He&lt;br /&gt;
does not, strictly speaking, need us. The modern therapeutic God&lt;br /&gt;
may be superficially attractive because He appeals to our emotions,&lt;br /&gt;
but the cost will soon be high. Implicitly this leads to a finite&lt;br /&gt;
God. God Himself is gradually diminished and reduced from&lt;br /&gt;
what He actually is. And that is idolatry.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Closer to the mark is the recognition that all God's emotions,&lt;br /&gt;
including His love in all its aspects, cannot be divorced from His&lt;br /&gt;
knowledge, power, and will. If God loves, it is because He chooses&lt;br /&gt;
to love; if He suffers, it is because He chooses to suffer. God is impassible&lt;br /&gt;
in the sense that He sustains no &amp;quot;passion&amp;quot; or emotion that&lt;br /&gt;
makes Him vulnerable from the outside, over which He has no&lt;br /&gt;
control or which He has not foreseen. Equally, however, God's&lt;br /&gt;
will or choice or plan is never divorced from His omniscience&lt;br /&gt;
and all His other perfections. Thus I am not surreptitiously retreating to a notion of love that is merely willed altruism; I am&lt;br /&gt;
not suggesting that God's love be dissolved in His will. Rather, I&lt;br /&gt;
am suggesting that we will successfully guard against the evils&lt;br /&gt;
that impassibility combats if we recognize that God's &amp;quot;passions,&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
unlike ours, do not flare up out of control, changing our direction&lt;br /&gt;
and priorities, domesticating our will, controlling our misery&lt;br /&gt;
and our happiness, surprising and destroying our commitments.&lt;br /&gt;
Rather , God's &amp;quot;passions,&amp;quot; like everything else in God, are displayed&lt;br /&gt;
in conjunction with the fullness of all His other perfections.&lt;br /&gt;
In that framework God's love is not so much a function of&lt;br /&gt;
His will as it is something that displays itself in perfect harmony&lt;br /&gt;
with His will—and with His holiness, His purposes in redemption,&lt;br /&gt;
His infinitely wise plans, and so forth.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Of course this means that in certain respects God's love does&lt;br /&gt;
not function exactly like ours. How could it? God's love emanates&lt;br /&gt;
from His infinite being, whose perfections are immutable. But&lt;br /&gt;
this way of wording things guards the most important values in&lt;br /&gt;
impassibility and still insists that God's love is real love, of the&lt;br /&gt;
same genus as the best of love displayed by His image-bearers.&lt;br /&gt;
And if there remain large areas of uncertainty as to how all this&lt;br /&gt;
works out in the being and action of God, it is because we have returned&lt;br /&gt;
by another route to the abiding tension between the biblical&lt;br /&gt;
portrait of the sovereign, transcendent God and the biblical portrait&lt;br /&gt;
of the personal God—and thus to the very mystery of God.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
This approach to these matters accounts well for certain biblical&lt;br /&gt;
truths of immense practical importance. God does not &amp;quot;fall in&lt;br /&gt;
love&amp;quot; with the elect; He does not &amp;quot;fall in love&amp;quot; with us; He sets his&lt;br /&gt;
affection on us. He does not predestine us out of some stern&lt;br /&gt;
whimsy; rather, ''in love'' He predestines us to be adopted as His&lt;br /&gt;
sons (Eph. 1:4-5). The texts of Scripture themselves associate the&lt;br /&gt;
love of God with other perfections in God.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
An example may be useful at this point. Picture Charles and&lt;br /&gt;
Susan walking down a beach, hand in hand, at the end of the academic&lt;br /&gt;
year. The pressure of the semester has dissipated in the&lt;br /&gt;
warm evening breeze. They have kicked off their sandals, and&lt;br /&gt;
the wet sand squishes between their toes. Charles turns to Susan,&lt;br /&gt;
gazes deeply into her large, hazel eyes, and says, &amp;quot;Susan, I love&lt;br /&gt;
you. I really do.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
What does he mean?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Well, in this day and age he may mean nothing more than&lt;br /&gt;
that he feels like testosterone on legs and wants to go to bed with&lt;br /&gt;
her. But if we assume he has even a modicum of decency, let&lt;br /&gt;
alone Christian virtue, the least he means is something like this:&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;Susan, you mean everything to me. I can't live without you. Your&lt;br /&gt;
smile poleaxes me from fifty yards. Your sparkling good humor,&lt;br /&gt;
your beautiful eyes, the scent of your hair—everything about you&lt;br /&gt;
transfixes me. I love you!&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
What he most certainly does not mean is something like this:&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;Susan, quite frankly you have such a bad case of halitosis it&lt;br /&gt;
would embarrass a herd of unwashed, garlic-eating elephants.&lt;br /&gt;
Your nose is so bulbous you belong in the cartoons. Your hair is so&lt;br /&gt;
greasy it could lubricate an eighteen-wheeler. Your knees are so&lt;br /&gt;
disjointed you make a camel look elegant. Your personality&lt;br /&gt;
makes Attila the Hun and Genghis Khan look like wimps. But I&lt;br /&gt;
love you!&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
So when God comes to us and says, &amp;quot;I love you,&amp;quot; what does He&lt;br /&gt;
mean?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Does He mean something like this? &amp;quot;You mean everything to&lt;br /&gt;
me. I can't live without you. Your personality, your witty conversation,&lt;br /&gt;
your beauty, your smile—everything about you transfixes&lt;br /&gt;
me. Heaven would be boring without you. I love you!&amp;quot; That, after&lt;br /&gt;
all, is pretty close to what some therapeutic approaches to the love&lt;br /&gt;
of God spell out. We must be pretty wonderful because God loves&lt;br /&gt;
us. And dear old God is pretty vulnerable, finding Himself in a&lt;br /&gt;
dreadful state unless we say yes to His love. Suddenly serious&lt;br /&gt;
Christians unite and rightly cry, &amp;quot;Bring back impassibility!&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
When God says He loves us, does He not mean something&lt;br /&gt;
like the following? &amp;quot;Morally speaking, you are the people of the&lt;br /&gt;
halitosis, the bulbous nose, the greasy hair, the disjointed knees,&lt;br /&gt;
the abominable personality. Your sins have made you disgustingly&lt;br /&gt;
ugly. But I love you anyway, not because you are attractive,&lt;br /&gt;
but because it is my nature to love.&amp;quot; And in the case of the elect,&lt;br /&gt;
God adds, &amp;quot;I have set my affection on you from before the foundation&lt;br /&gt;
of the universe, not because you are wiser or better or stronger&lt;br /&gt;
than others but because in grace I chose to love you. You are mine,&lt;br /&gt;
and you will be transformed. Nothing in all creation can&lt;br /&gt;
separate you from my love mediated through Jesus Christ.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Is that not a little closer to the love of God depicted in Scripture?&lt;br /&gt;
Doubtless the Father finds the Son lovable; doubtless in the&lt;br /&gt;
realm of disciplining His covenant people, there is a sense in&lt;br /&gt;
which His love is conditioned by our moral conformity. But God&lt;br /&gt;
loves, whomever the object, because He is love. There are thus two&lt;br /&gt;
critical points. First, God exercises this love in conjunction with&lt;br /&gt;
all His other perfections, but His love is no less love for all that.&lt;br /&gt;
Second, His love emanates from His own character; it is not&lt;br /&gt;
dependent on the loveliness of the loved, external to Himself.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
John's point in 1 John 4:8, 16, &amp;quot;God is love,&amp;quot; is that those who&lt;br /&gt;
really do know God come to love that way too. Doubtless we do not&lt;br /&gt;
do it very well, but aren't Christians supposed to love the unlovable,&lt;br /&gt;
even our enemies? Because we have been transformed by the&lt;br /&gt;
gospel, our love is to be self-originating, not elicited by the loveliness&lt;br /&gt;
of the loved. For that is the way it is with God. He loves, because&lt;br /&gt;
love is one of His perfections, in perfect harmony with all&lt;br /&gt;
His other perfections.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
That is the way God's image-bearers should love too. In one of&lt;br /&gt;
her loveliest sonnets, not written to be published, Elizabeth Barrett&lt;br /&gt;
Browning wrote to her husband Robert Browning:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;blockquote&amp;gt;If thou must love me, let it be for naught,&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Except for love's sake only. Do not say,&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;I love her for her smile—her looks—her way&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Of speaking gently—for a trick of thought&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
That falls in well with me, and certes brought&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
A sense of pleasant ease on such a day&amp;quot;—&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
For these things, in themselves, Beloved, may&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Be changed, or change for thee—and love, so wrought,&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
May be unwrought so. Neither love me for&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Thine own dear pity's wiping my cheeks dry—&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
A creature might forget to weep, who bore&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Thy comfort long, and lose thy love thereby!&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
But love me for love's sake, that evermore&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Thou may'st love on, through love's eternity.&amp;lt;/blockquote&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
This we have learned from God as He has disclosed Himself&lt;br /&gt;
in His Son: For &amp;quot;we love because he first loved us&amp;quot; (1 John 4:19).&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;While we were still sinners, Christ died for us&amp;quot; (Rom. 5:8).&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and&lt;br /&gt;
sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins&amp;quot; (1 John 4:10, KJV).&lt;br /&gt;
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