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''Editor’s Note:'' Readers should be aware of the forum’s format. D. A. Carson, Al&lt;br /&gt;
Jackson, Ajith Fernando, Robert Coleman, and John Mark Terry have been asked&lt;br /&gt;
specific questions to which they have provided written responses. These writers are&lt;br /&gt;
not responding to one another. The journal’s goal for the Forum is to provide&lt;br /&gt;
significant thinkers’ views on topics of interest without requiring lengthy articles from&lt;br /&gt;
these heavily-committed individuals. Their answers are presented in an order that&lt;br /&gt;
hopefully makes the forum read as much like a unified presentation as possible.&lt;br /&gt;
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'''SBJT: Granted that there are spurious conversions in the Bible, what criteria help us to discern that a profession of faith is genuine?'''&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
'''D. A. Carson:''' Many complex questions&lt;br /&gt;
occupy the attention of the thoughtful&lt;br /&gt;
evangelist, but this is surely one of the&lt;br /&gt;
most complex.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The reason why it is an important question&lt;br /&gt;
is bound up with the many passages&lt;br /&gt;
in the Bible that depict spurious conversions.&lt;br /&gt;
For instance, in the parable of the&lt;br /&gt;
sower (better called, perhaps, the parable&lt;br /&gt;
of the soils), Jesus says that some people,&lt;br /&gt;
“like seed sown on rocky places, hear the&lt;br /&gt;
word and at once receive it with joy”&lt;br /&gt;
(Mark 4:16), but that as soon as trouble&lt;br /&gt;
comes they quickly fall away, for they&lt;br /&gt;
have no root. In the Palestine of Jesus’ day,&lt;br /&gt;
“rocky places” referred to a setting where&lt;br /&gt;
there was a thin layer of topsoil over limestone&lt;br /&gt;
bedrock. Because the topsoil was so&lt;br /&gt;
shallow, it warmed up the fastest in the&lt;br /&gt;
spring, and the seed embedded there&lt;br /&gt;
germinated most quickly. Outside the&lt;br /&gt;
metaphorical world, some people hear the&lt;br /&gt;
word and “at once receive it with joy.”&lt;br /&gt;
They seem to be the most promising of&lt;br /&gt;
the crop. But once the early rains have&lt;br /&gt;
died away and the full heat of the mideastern&lt;br /&gt;
sun blazes down, the roots stretch&lt;br /&gt;
down for water, cannot penetrate the&lt;br /&gt;
bedrock, and the plant dies. Outside the&lt;br /&gt;
metaphorical world, sometimes the very&lt;br /&gt;
people who seem to be the most promising&lt;br /&gt;
of a crop of converts turn out to have&lt;br /&gt;
no root, and when the first whiff of trouble&lt;br /&gt;
shows up, they wither away. But who&lt;br /&gt;
could tell at first which plants would&lt;br /&gt;
endure, and which would not?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Or consider the series of people&lt;br /&gt;
depicted in Luke 9:57-62. Three different&lt;br /&gt;
people offer to follow Jesus, or promise&lt;br /&gt;
to do so on some condition or other. In&lt;br /&gt;
every case, Jesus gently repulses them.&lt;br /&gt;
One says, “I will follow you wherever you&lt;br /&gt;
go,” but Jesus promptly erects a barrier:&lt;br /&gt;
“Foxes have holes and birds of the air have&lt;br /&gt;
nests, but the Son of Man has no place to&lt;br /&gt;
lay his head.” I suppose the question we&lt;br /&gt;
must ask ourselves is this: When was the&lt;br /&gt;
last time that we repulsed someone who&lt;br /&gt;
promised to follow Jesus, erecting barriers&lt;br /&gt;
or high hurdles for their religious&lt;br /&gt;
aspirations?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Or again, John speaks of “many&lt;br /&gt;
people” who saw the signs Jesus was&lt;br /&gt;
doing and who “believed in his name”&lt;br /&gt;
(John 2:23). But Jesus recognized that their&lt;br /&gt;
faith was spurious, and would not entrust&lt;br /&gt;
himself to them. What was it about them&lt;br /&gt;
that made their faith spurious?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Of course, we must recognize that even&lt;br /&gt;
the most discerning of us will sometimes&lt;br /&gt;
make mistakes. Those of us who have&lt;br /&gt;
been in the ministry for a few years (let&lt;br /&gt;
alone for several decades) can remember&lt;br /&gt;
people we have baptized whose professions&lt;br /&gt;
of faith soon proved to be ephemeral.&lt;br /&gt;
But unless we perceive the danger,&lt;br /&gt;
we will actually foster spurious conversions.&lt;br /&gt;
And this will have the further&lt;br /&gt;
effect of engendering cynicism about&lt;br /&gt;
conversion, or a false sense of security in&lt;br /&gt;
those who have been through the system&lt;br /&gt;
without really being regenerated. So the&lt;br /&gt;
question returns: Granted that there are&lt;br /&gt;
spurious conversions in the Bible, what&lt;br /&gt;
criteria help us to determine whether a&lt;br /&gt;
profession of faith is genuine?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I have space to mention two criteria,&lt;br /&gt;
and then to offer some reflections on their&lt;br /&gt;
practical outworking in evangelistic ministry&lt;br /&gt;
in today’s world.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The ''first'' criterion is remarkably penetrating,&lt;br /&gt;
but does not yield quick results.&lt;br /&gt;
It is the criterion of perseverance. Jesus&lt;br /&gt;
told some who “believed” him, “If you&lt;br /&gt;
hold to my teaching, you are really my&lt;br /&gt;
disciples” (John 8:31). The apostle Paul&lt;br /&gt;
writes to the Colossians to tell them that&lt;br /&gt;
God has reconciled them to himself by&lt;br /&gt;
Christ’s physical body through death, to&lt;br /&gt;
present them holy in his sight, without&lt;br /&gt;
blemish and free from accusation, “if you&lt;br /&gt;
continue in your faith, established and&lt;br /&gt;
firm, not moved from the hope held out&lt;br /&gt;
in the gospel” (Col 1:23). The writer to the&lt;br /&gt;
Hebrews affirms, “We have come to share&lt;br /&gt;
in Christ if we hold firmly till the end the&lt;br /&gt;
confidence we had at first” (Heb 3:14).&lt;br /&gt;
Conversely, when some fail this test of&lt;br /&gt;
perseverance, their very falling away may&lt;br /&gt;
testify that “they did not really belong to&lt;br /&gt;
us. For if they had belonged to us, they&lt;br /&gt;
would have remained with us; but their&lt;br /&gt;
going showed that none of them belonged&lt;br /&gt;
to us” (1 John 2:19). This criterion of perseverance,&lt;br /&gt;
then, is powerful. But it is not&lt;br /&gt;
an instant panacea, a tool that provides&lt;br /&gt;
instant discernment. In the very nature&lt;br /&gt;
of the case, perseverance takes time to&lt;br /&gt;
disclose itself.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The ''second'' criterion emerges from the&lt;br /&gt;
sheer diversity and creativity of Jesus’&lt;br /&gt;
handling of people. One person he may&lt;br /&gt;
command to sell all that he has, and give&lt;br /&gt;
the proceeds to the poor; another he may&lt;br /&gt;
instruct on who his neighbor is; to another&lt;br /&gt;
he may tell of the visit of a Pharisee and&lt;br /&gt;
of a publican to the temple, so as to show&lt;br /&gt;
the nature of true contrition and faith, and&lt;br /&gt;
to make clear who is truly justified; yet&lt;br /&gt;
another is told that unless he forgives his&lt;br /&gt;
brother, he cannot be forgiven himself.&lt;br /&gt;
What is common to all these accounts, and&lt;br /&gt;
a dozen more, is Jesus’ unerring ability to&lt;br /&gt;
get to the heart of what ''stops'' a particular&lt;br /&gt;
individual from closing with Christ. The&lt;br /&gt;
point is that genuine faith embraces genuine&lt;br /&gt;
repentance, and the barriers to repentance&lt;br /&gt;
vary greatly from person to person.&lt;br /&gt;
For one person it is materialism; for&lt;br /&gt;
another, it is the instinct of self-promotion&lt;br /&gt;
and self-preservation that would rather&lt;br /&gt;
argue about who the neighbor is than give&lt;br /&gt;
help to him or receive help from him; for&lt;br /&gt;
another, it is the religious arrogance that&lt;br /&gt;
deludes itself into thinking that religious&lt;br /&gt;
observance makes one fit for the kingdom&lt;br /&gt;
of heaven; for another, it is the nurtured&lt;br /&gt;
bitterness that finds it impossible to forgive.&lt;br /&gt;
In every case, the proper Christian&lt;br /&gt;
confession is “Jesus is Lord.” The particular&lt;br /&gt;
sins that defy his lordship, however,&lt;br /&gt;
vary from person to person. For this reason,&lt;br /&gt;
the Lord Jesus himself is so amazingly&lt;br /&gt;
flexible and penetrating in his dealings&lt;br /&gt;
with people. He sees through them, discerns&lt;br /&gt;
where their true idols lie, and&lt;br /&gt;
focuses on the particular sins that are so&lt;br /&gt;
binding and crippling to each individual.&lt;br /&gt;
He may not say, “Go, call your husband&lt;br /&gt;
and come back” (John 4:16) to the rich&lt;br /&gt;
young ruler or to Mary Magdalene, but it&lt;br /&gt;
was exactly what the Samaritan woman&lt;br /&gt;
needed to hear.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
These two criteria, then, the criterion&lt;br /&gt;
of perseverance and what might be called&lt;br /&gt;
the criterion of discerning the chief idol,&lt;br /&gt;
are among the principal helps to evangelists&lt;br /&gt;
seeking to discern whether or not a&lt;br /&gt;
profession of faith is genuine.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Although these are certainly not the&lt;br /&gt;
only criteria, it is worth thinking through&lt;br /&gt;
how even these two may be of strategic&lt;br /&gt;
help. That serious help is needed may be&lt;br /&gt;
demonstrated by many things, but nothing&lt;br /&gt;
is more potent than one particular pair&lt;br /&gt;
of statistics. After George Whitefield had&lt;br /&gt;
preached to great crowds in New England&lt;br /&gt;
two hundred and fifty years ago, a careful&lt;br /&gt;
check was made, ten years later, of&lt;br /&gt;
those who had made profession of faith&lt;br /&gt;
at some of his meetings, and it was found&lt;br /&gt;
that about 85% were still following Christ&lt;br /&gt;
faithfully. In other words, this report represents&lt;br /&gt;
perseverance at a reasonably high&lt;br /&gt;
order. By contrast, today’s household&lt;br /&gt;
names in evangelism usually report that,&lt;br /&gt;
even according to their own figures, no&lt;br /&gt;
more than 5% of those who make&lt;br /&gt;
first-time professions of faith are found in&lt;br /&gt;
faithful obedience a mere five years later.&lt;br /&gt;
Something, surely, has gone wrong, when&lt;br /&gt;
maintaining the high numbers of ostensible&lt;br /&gt;
“converts” is more important than&lt;br /&gt;
obtaining a more accurate discernment of&lt;br /&gt;
who is genuinely converted.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
That brings me to my final reflection.&lt;br /&gt;
Those who have evangelized in many different&lt;br /&gt;
cultural settings sooner or later discover&lt;br /&gt;
that the barriers to genuine faith&lt;br /&gt;
differ considerably from culture to culture.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
(1) A thoughtful Hindu who trusts&lt;br /&gt;
Christ finds it very difficult to avoid the&lt;br /&gt;
syncretism that marks so much Hindu&lt;br /&gt;
thought. The same Hindu who “accepts&lt;br /&gt;
Christ” one day and verbally recognizes&lt;br /&gt;
Jesus alone as Lord may be seen going into&lt;br /&gt;
a temple devoted to Krishna two weeks&lt;br /&gt;
later. When challenged, that person will&lt;br /&gt;
probably say, without any self-conscious&lt;br /&gt;
embarrassment, “Well, I’m about 60%&lt;br /&gt;
Christian and 40% Hindu” (or some other&lt;br /&gt;
division of the percentages). What is very&lt;br /&gt;
often at stake in ''genuine'' conversion of a&lt;br /&gt;
Hindu is a change in his or her operating&lt;br /&gt;
story-line: that Hindu must not only&lt;br /&gt;
accept certain things about Jesus, simply&lt;br /&gt;
adding Jesus to the Hindu pantheon.&lt;br /&gt;
Instead he or she must see that ''over against''&lt;br /&gt;
the inherited Hindu pantheon is set a different&lt;br /&gt;
story, a true story, of one God, the&lt;br /&gt;
Creator who made all things such that&lt;br /&gt;
they are different than he is, of sin that is&lt;br /&gt;
bound up with rebellion against this God,&lt;br /&gt;
of God’s actions of judgment and redemption&lt;br /&gt;
reported through the Bible, and so&lt;br /&gt;
forth. ''For this is the only “story-line” in which the significance of Jesus makes Christian sense.''&lt;br /&gt;
(Incidentally, that is why Paul’s approach&lt;br /&gt;
to evangelizing biblical illiterates in Athens&lt;br /&gt;
[Acts 17:16-34] is so different from his&lt;br /&gt;
approach to evangelizing Jews and Gentiles&lt;br /&gt;
who are intimately familiar with what&lt;br /&gt;
the Bible says [Acts 13:13-52]. Paul’s&lt;br /&gt;
apostolic insight and flexibility were a&lt;br /&gt;
reflection of his Lord’s insight and flexibility.)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
(2) To bring a devout and knowledgeable&lt;br /&gt;
Roman Catholic to an evangelical&lt;br /&gt;
grasp of the gospel demands a rather different&lt;br /&gt;
emphasis. In this case there is a&lt;br /&gt;
shared grasp of many of the facts of the&lt;br /&gt;
Bible (though some of them may be interpreted&lt;br /&gt;
differently), and a fair bit of shared&lt;br /&gt;
theology (e.g., one God, Trinitarianism,&lt;br /&gt;
creation, the fall, the deity of Christ, and&lt;br /&gt;
much more). The differences can be&lt;br /&gt;
summed up by the three “solas” of the&lt;br /&gt;
Reformation: salvation is by grace ''alone'',&lt;br /&gt;
it is received through faith ''alone'', and the&lt;br /&gt;
revelatory authority base that defines this&lt;br /&gt;
faith is Scripture ''alone''. Often one is not&lt;br /&gt;
certain that a Roman Catholic has come&lt;br /&gt;
to enduring evangelical faith unless those&lt;br /&gt;
touchstones, however cast, are absorbed&lt;br /&gt;
and appreciated.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
(3) Nowadays in evangelizing university&lt;br /&gt;
students who are postmodern relativists,&lt;br /&gt;
the criterion for genuine faith is a little&lt;br /&gt;
different. Just because a student says&lt;br /&gt;
something like the following does not&lt;br /&gt;
necessarily mean that he or she has&lt;br /&gt;
become a Christian: “Yes, I see that Jesus&lt;br /&gt;
is God and man, that he came into the&lt;br /&gt;
world and died on the cross to pay for my&lt;br /&gt;
sin. I do believe that he rose from the dead&lt;br /&gt;
the third day. By his grace I have turned&lt;br /&gt;
from my sin and trusted him as my Savior&lt;br /&gt;
and Lord.” Why not? Because in&lt;br /&gt;
postmodern epistemology, all these utterances&lt;br /&gt;
might well be part of a larger, experiential&lt;br /&gt;
“try it and see” approach that does&lt;br /&gt;
not last very long. It might well be&lt;br /&gt;
embedded in a broader outlook that is&lt;br /&gt;
essentially pluralistic. Thus the student&lt;br /&gt;
may be saying, in effect, “I believe all these&lt;br /&gt;
things to be true, as I join this interesting&lt;br /&gt;
religious community. Of course, I reserve&lt;br /&gt;
the right to try other religious communities.&lt;br /&gt;
After all, they all have their own&lt;br /&gt;
insight and truth too, and who am I to say&lt;br /&gt;
that they are mistaken?” A suitable criterion,&lt;br /&gt;
therefore, may be an additional&lt;br /&gt;
confession: “And I believe that there is no&lt;br /&gt;
other way by which a human being may&lt;br /&gt;
be reconciled to God.” For a postmodern&lt;br /&gt;
relativist, that marks a decisive shift.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
By arguing this way, am I surreptitiously&lt;br /&gt;
''adding'' to the gospel? No, of course&lt;br /&gt;
not. I am merely unpacking elements that&lt;br /&gt;
inhere in the biblical gospel. To return to&lt;br /&gt;
the two criteria by which I began: I am&lt;br /&gt;
insisting that genuine commitment to&lt;br /&gt;
Christ perseveres, and that the gospel,&lt;br /&gt;
genuinely appropriated, always overturns&lt;br /&gt;
the cherished idol to which any person&lt;br /&gt;
clings, whether that idol is the worldview&lt;br /&gt;
of Hinduism, the inherited salvationstructures&lt;br /&gt;
of Roman Catholicism, or the&lt;br /&gt;
pluralistic outlook of much post-modernism.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
So one important question we must&lt;br /&gt;
raise whenever we engage in thoughtful&lt;br /&gt;
evangelism on our own turf is this:&lt;br /&gt;
Granted that there are spurious conversions&lt;br /&gt;
in the Bible, what criteria will help&lt;br /&gt;
me, ''on my particular patch'', to discern that&lt;br /&gt;
a profession of faith is genuine? How will&lt;br /&gt;
reflection on such matters improve my&lt;br /&gt;
presentation of the gospel here, on my&lt;br /&gt;
particular patch? For instance, if you serve&lt;br /&gt;
in a traditional SBC church located in the&lt;br /&gt;
Bible belt, what inducements, social pressures,&lt;br /&gt;
and traditions actually ''foster'' spurious&lt;br /&gt;
conversions in that environment, and&lt;br /&gt;
need, therefore, to be confronted in faithful&lt;br /&gt;
gospel witness and preaching?&lt;/div&gt;</description>
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